PhantasiaKnights: If you can find a better list host by the way, i'd love to know.
SkyRendrX: My offer of webspace stands.
PhantasiaKnights: You can't seem to get a hold of David though.
SkyRendrX: Yeah, but I can at least give you access to my own version of the site's FTP.
PhantasiaKnights: Well you never said that :p
SkyRendrX: I thought I did.
PhantasiaKnights: Nope.
SkyRendrX: Ah. Well, I can. I trust you well enough not to mess with my site's files.
PhantasiaKnights: I still want a place to host SoaUL mainly.
SkyRendrX: Of course. What would you like your directory to be called? Is phantasia alright, or would you prefer something else?
PhantasiaKnights: Sure. Oh, I also remembered I need to redownload Filezilla.
SkyRendrX: Okay, your folder now exists.
PhantasiaKnights: Now all I need to do is tinker around with building this thing.
SkyRendrX: Yeah. Want the FTP access info yet?
PhantasiaKnights: Might as well so I can start memorizing it.
SkyRendrX: Heh. FTP programs tend to store this info for you.
PhantasiaKnights: I must have missed a setting somewhere.
SkyRendrX: I recommend LeechFTP. Let me know when you're in the bookmarks section of your FTP program, so I can give you the data to enter for the site.
PhantasiaKnights: Alrighty. LeechFTP ready.
SkyRendrX: Okay. Make a new bookmark for the site.
PhantasiaKnights: Okay.
SkyRendrX: Enter this data in the appropriate fields:
host: (Link)
port: **
username: ******
password: *********
The other field can be left blank, and the login will be set to personal once you've entered the username. Save that data, obviously. When you connect, go into the skyrender.saulesco.com folder, then the phantasia folder. That's your part of the site. You can delete the file that's in the folder already, by the way. I just put it there to test and make sure the directory was added right.
PhantasiaKnights: Okay... Now what to do...
SkyRendrX: Are you connected?
PhantasiaKnights: Yup.
SkyRendrX: Did you go into the skyrender.saulesco.com folder?
PhantasiaKnights: I'm in my folder now.
SkyRendrX: Okay. So just upload files to it.
PhantasiaKnights: And it handles itself?
SkyRendrX: Yep. Just find the directory you keep the files in with the pane in the middle, select the file you want to upload, and select Upload from the second mouse button menu.
PhantasiaKnights: Now i'll just go find my backup disk real quick.
SkyRendrX: Hehe. You can't damage files transferring them from your PC to the server. At least, not on your end.
PhantasiaKnights: Well I still have to copy the files back to my computer anyway.
SkyRendrX: Oh. Heh, there is that. You know enough HTML to get by, or will you be needing help with that?
PhantasiaKnights: We'll see. Oh, I need the link to that Bare bones HTML page again
SkyRendrX: I'll have to Google for it. (Link: http://werbach.com/barebones/barebones.txt)http://werbach.com/barebones/barebones.txt Wow. My version of it is still up to date. You still there?
PhantasiaKnights: Yup.
SkyRendrX: Coding HTML? :P
PhantasiaKnights: Hmm...
SkyRendrX: Need help?
PhantasiaKnights: I practiced with basic tags, now how do I test it out?
SkyRendrX: Simple. Open your browser, select Open from the menu, and locate the file on your hard drive.
PhantasiaKnights: Well that didn't work out at all.
SkyRendrX: You probably put a tag in the wrong place. The /html tag goes at the very end of the file, for example. The /body tag comes right before it. (I have excluded brackets since AIM likes to not print anything between them)
The format is basically:
{html}
{head}{title}Text{/title}{/head}
{body}
Body of page
{/body}{/html}
Unfortunately, the Bare-Bones Guide doesn't cover basic format. It just covers the commands. But many commands are nested within other commands like that.
PhantasiaKnights: Ah. It still shows all the tags and doesn't wrap the text.
SkyRendrX: Any tag listed with multiple commands (particularly the table command) can have as many commands as you want in the control tag. So for table, you could have something like {table width=800 border=0 cellspacing=1 cellpadding=1} and have it work just fine. Upload the file to the server so I can look at it. It's probably something stupid that the bare-bones guide SHOULD cover, but doesn't. By the way, just so you know, your site's main page should be called index.html or index.htm (so it doesn't give a file list when jumping to the site without specifying a file). Aheh. I see your problem. You need to convert those {}'s to proper HTML brackets. I usually cannot use them in AIM. It converts them to HTML commands. Test Hm. Guess it only converts them when pasting. By the way, most browsers don't require you to use tags. I never use them, myself. Personal preference and all, though. Probably a good habit to get into, using them. One last problem, obviously, is that it's a .txt file and not a .html or .htm file. :)
PhantasiaKnights: Well I want to get the tags right first before I worry about that.
SkyRendrX: The browser won't load it right if you don't name it to a .html or .htm file anyway.
PhantasiaKnights: Whoops.
SkyRendrX: This is why I recommend Win32Pad for text editing, by the way. It saves to pretty much any text-based format, HTML included, just by typing the appropriate extension in when saving.
PhantasiaKnights: I am using that.
SkyRendrX: Ah, alright. Well, just so you know. You can also select HTML from the Save as type list.
PhantasiaKnights: By the way, I keep getting the FTP connection reset.
SkyRendrX: Yeah, that's normal. Don't let it bug you. If you idle on an FTP for longer than 60 seconds, it disconnects you. Just don't connect until you need to do something.
PhantasiaKnights: It's still showing tags. I reuploaded it for you to see.
SkyRendrX: ... Ian, I think you've become terribly confused here.
PhantasiaKnights: Probably.
SkyRendrX: is an HTML command for bolding text. It's the <> brackets I was referring to.
PhantasiaKnights: -_- Heh, when you put the b in there, I thought I was supposed to.
SkyRendrX: Also, it's still a text file, so even when you do have the tags set right, it's still not going to show up correctly. Oh yes, and please don't upload the file to the root directory. I don't think David would appreciate that.
PhantasiaKnights: Did I? Woah. Anyway, it's gone now.
SkyRendrX: Okay.
PhantasiaKnights: I forgot after reseting to go back to the directory.
SkyRendrX: Heh. A simple mistake to make. Clearly this will take some getting used to for you, but I think you'll do alright.
PhantasiaKnights: I selected Save as HTML type, but it still saves as .txt.
SkyRendrX: That's probably because you haven't changed the extension.
PhantasiaKnights: Oh.
SkyRendrX: Well, you can manually change it. Close Win32Pad, load up Windows Explorer, and change its extension to .html instead of .txt
PhantasiaKnights: There it goes.
SkyRendrX: By the way, I have an interesting speculation on what will happen in HP (Harry Potter) Book 6, having just re-read book 2. Care to hear it?
PhantasiaKnights: Of course.
SkyRendrX: One of the key themes of book 2 is the choices we make determine how we turn out. At the end of book 5, Harry has started down the path of using dark magic (admittedly because of a desire for vengeance, but he still used the Crustaceus Curse). It's quite likely that he will continue down the path of using dark magic, without fully realizing it, until something bad enough happens that he snaps back to reality. It's even possible that he'll be manipulated to that end by Voldemort and his followers.
PhantasiaKnights: That has Darth Vader written all over it.
SkyRendrX: He's already in a prime position to be manipulated, after all. In the Order of the Phoenix's inner circle, linked to Voldemort as it is, angry and confused by Sirius death... Just seems like a likely plot element.
SkyRendrX: Heh, doesn't it though?
PhantasiaKnights: Ugh, i've had enough of this for tonight.
SkyRendrX: Oh? Still misbehaving, is it?
PhantasiaKnights: I saved it as .html, but now when I open it in a web browser, nothing shows up. Yet it shows up in plaintext.
SkyRendrX: Okay, put it up on the server and I'll give it another look. And tell me when it's up, too.
PhantasiaKnights: Okay.
SkyRendrX: Aheh. I see the problem. You have defined a new tag, . :P Simple and easy mistake to make. Just take the <>'s off of it, and the page will work fine.
PhantasiaKnights: Ah.
SkyRendrX: Off of iwank, I mean. Not off every tag or anything like that.
PhantasiaKnights: I am such a noob.
SkyRendrX: Don't let it bug you. We cannot grow if we don't make mistakes.
PhantasiaKnights: Alright, one more time.
SkyRendrX: Let me know when you have the new file uploaded. It should work this time, I didn't see any other errors. Oh wait, yes I do.
PhantasiaKnights: I bet.
SkyRendrX: That line should be:
iwank You forgot the /'s. Never forget those, it'll screw up the entire page until you locate the offending tag. Except, as noted before, for and
.
PhantasiaKnights: This is what happens when you try to learn HTML at midnight :p
SkyRendrX: Oh, of course. You're tired, that explains why you've made mistakes. Yeah, that's why I stopped translating late at night, actually. :P I'm sure you still remember a few lines that resulted from my late-night sessions with FF6's script. "Boss! What are going to do?"
PhantasiaKnights: LOL! And "Will you jump on teh craen?" huh?
SkyRendrX: G'heh. That was all Abobo, though the mistagging I will take credit for.
PhantasiaKnights: It still shows nothing in browser mode. Ack.
SkyRendrX: Upload it again.
PhantasiaKnights: It does show iWank in the header however.
SkyRendrX: We will get this working before you sleep tonight!
PhantasiaKnights: Okay.
SkyRendrX: ... You MUST be tired. You put the / on the wrong end of the tag. It's and , not and .
PhantasiaKnights: O_o Maybe I should do this tomorrow...
SkyRendrX: Yeah, I'm thinking maybe you should...
PhantasiaKnights: Actually, you know what i'm thinking? I'm thinking of posting this on my page and letting everyone see my late night exploits.
SkyRendrX: Heh. An Example of Why You Should Not Code Past 10PM, by Phantasia Knights.